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	<title>Comments on: Prophetic Dreams, Experiences &amp; Mark Driscoll</title>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
		<link>http://www.ardorpes.com/2009/01/24/prophetic-dreams-experiences-mark-driscoll/comment-page-1/#comment-997</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is  a very interesting story. I can believe that you were led by the spirit in this. @Susana I can also see were you come from but God does not always use us to correct the wrongs of the lost. We had a situation at our church a few years ago. My wife knew that some thing was going to happen and we had a prophetic warning about it in advance. The outcome was that the pastor was in a relationship with the leader of the ladies prayer group. 

He was dismissed and we had to take a decision. Are we going to make sure he is OK or send him on his way. We waited on God and prayed and majority felt we had to part ways with him and send him into the world. Many felt that we were not doing the right thing as for the same argument that Susana mentioned. 

Now a few years later the same people look back and realize that the congregation was not ready and fit enough for the task. In our sending him away we actually forced him to move and this caused him to get into contact with a elderly pastor couple who took them under their wings and after about 4 years he was preaching again and now even stronger as a shepherd than before. We sometimes need to throw the Jonah over board for him to end up in the fish to learn his lesson and to end up in the place God intended. 

From then many time we had to take a decision on someones future and we would look at it from this Jonah point of view. Are we to rescue or are we to allow a Jonah experience to allow God to work. We cannot judge a situation as to being right or wrong if we are not in the middle of it or being part of it. Lets use it as an instrument of learning and pray that the difficult decisions we have to make sometimes are guided by God. Even if we choose wrong then God will make a way to get His way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is  a very interesting story. I can believe that you were led by the spirit in this. @Susana I can also see were you come from but God does not always use us to correct the wrongs of the lost. We had a situation at our church a few years ago. My wife knew that some thing was going to happen and we had a prophetic warning about it in advance. The outcome was that the pastor was in a relationship with the leader of the ladies prayer group. </p>
<p>He was dismissed and we had to take a decision. Are we going to make sure he is OK or send him on his way. We waited on God and prayed and majority felt we had to part ways with him and send him into the world. Many felt that we were not doing the right thing as for the same argument that Susana mentioned. </p>
<p>Now a few years later the same people look back and realize that the congregation was not ready and fit enough for the task. In our sending him away we actually forced him to move and this caused him to get into contact with a elderly pastor couple who took them under their wings and after about 4 years he was preaching again and now even stronger as a shepherd than before. We sometimes need to throw the Jonah over board for him to end up in the fish to learn his lesson and to end up in the place God intended. </p>
<p>From then many time we had to take a decision on someones future and we would look at it from this Jonah point of view. Are we to rescue or are we to allow a Jonah experience to allow God to work. We cannot judge a situation as to being right or wrong if we are not in the middle of it or being part of it. Lets use it as an instrument of learning and pray that the difficult decisions we have to make sometimes are guided by God. Even if we choose wrong then God will make a way to get His way.</p>
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		<title>By: Susana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 00:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I see in all you said is your failure to recognize that this older man needed love as never before. He needed prayer and fasting possibly for his deliverance.
But to kick someone out of church a precious soul for whom Christ died is not of God.
Maybe some may believe that this came from God to tell someone to never come back to the house of God but the Bible says it is wrong.
Jesus said that whoever comes to him he will in no wise cast out. So what happened to you?
We are to heal the sick and cast our demons and to love the unlovable.
One of the greatest problems in the world today is people who profess Christ but do not have his love for all people in their lives.You are the wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing and the poor man was a lost sheep.
He was Lazarus and you are the rich man.
Jesus warned of hirelings and there are many out there.
I pray God blesses this man wherever he is. He needs help not to be cast away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I see in all you said is your failure to recognize that this older man needed love as never before. He needed prayer and fasting possibly for his deliverance.<br />
But to kick someone out of church a precious soul for whom Christ died is not of God.<br />
Maybe some may believe that this came from God to tell someone to never come back to the house of God but the Bible says it is wrong.<br />
Jesus said that whoever comes to him he will in no wise cast out. So what happened to you?<br />
We are to heal the sick and cast our demons and to love the unlovable.<br />
One of the greatest problems in the world today is people who profess Christ but do not have his love for all people in their lives.You are the wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing and the poor man was a lost sheep.<br />
He was Lazarus and you are the rich man.<br />
Jesus warned of hirelings and there are many out there.<br />
I pray God blesses this man wherever he is. He needs help not to be cast away.</p>
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		<title>By: M Burke</title>
		<link>http://www.ardorpes.com/2009/01/24/prophetic-dreams-experiences-mark-driscoll/comment-page-1/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>M Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And those prophetic acts are true coz it’s in the bible.&quot;

And therein lies the problem. Just because it is in the Bible doesn&#039;t mean that you should expect to experience it nor that it is normative for believers today. With so few people actually knowing what the Bible teaches, too many of them are expecting extra-biblical revelation to guide them.  Yet Scripture teaches that Christ is the ultimate intent of all Biblical revelation. 

Heb 1:1-2
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

God ~has spoken~ to us by Christ and by His apostles through the only God-breathed Word, holy scripture.

Now, I realize a lot of folks will have trouble with this line of thinking, but I beg you to read the Bible and search to see if the kinds of claims made by those with so-called prophetic dreams match the experiences and specifics of Biblical prophecy. Keep in mind that God doesn&#039;t do anything for no reason, prophecy and the other sign gifts had specific purposes in a pre-Canon age, before people had access to the written word and before the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. 

M Burke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And those prophetic acts are true coz it’s in the bible.&#8221;</p>
<p>And therein lies the problem. Just because it is in the Bible doesn&#8217;t mean that you should expect to experience it nor that it is normative for believers today. With so few people actually knowing what the Bible teaches, too many of them are expecting extra-biblical revelation to guide them.  Yet Scripture teaches that Christ is the ultimate intent of all Biblical revelation. </p>
<p>Heb 1:1-2<br />
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.</p>
<p>God ~has spoken~ to us by Christ and by His apostles through the only God-breathed Word, holy scripture.</p>
<p>Now, I realize a lot of folks will have trouble with this line of thinking, but I beg you to read the Bible and search to see if the kinds of claims made by those with so-called prophetic dreams match the experiences and specifics of Biblical prophecy. Keep in mind that God doesn&#8217;t do anything for no reason, prophecy and the other sign gifts had specific purposes in a pre-Canon age, before people had access to the written word and before the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. </p>
<p>M Burke</p>
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		<title>By: Volvin</title>
		<link>http://www.ardorpes.com/2009/01/24/prophetic-dreams-experiences-mark-driscoll/comment-page-1/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Volvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pastor and some of my church members had prophetic dreams.
In fact when I pray sometimes I &quot;get to see things&quot;.....
And those prophetic acts are true coz it&#039;s in the bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pastor and some of my church members had prophetic dreams.<br />
In fact when I pray sometimes I &#8220;get to see things&#8221;&#8230;..<br />
And those prophetic acts are true coz it&#8217;s in the bible.</p>
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		<title>By: sanko</title>
		<link>http://www.ardorpes.com/2009/01/24/prophetic-dreams-experiences-mark-driscoll/comment-page-1/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>sanko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only had nightmares... 
Hope they aren&#039;t prophetic dreams... T_T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only had nightmares&#8230;<br />
Hope they aren&#8217;t prophetic dreams&#8230; T_T</p>
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		<title>By: Ardorpes</title>
		<link>http://www.ardorpes.com/2009/01/24/prophetic-dreams-experiences-mark-driscoll/comment-page-1/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardorpes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to elaborate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to elaborate?</p>
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		<title>By: hayesy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hayesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting story.
I&#039;ve never had a dream like that, but on one occasion God did speak to me non-verbally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting story.<br />
I&#8217;ve never had a dream like that, but on one occasion God did speak to me non-verbally.</p>
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